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		<description><![CDATA[The other day I had give a statement to the police, (nothing serious, I was a witness &#8230; see  An attempted robbery), and I had to fill in a form.  Fortunately, a young policewoman was delegated to help me.  She asked me questions, I answered, and she typed the information onto the form.  I also [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other day I had give a statement to the police,  (nothing serious, I was a witness &#8230; see <span style="color: #0000ff;"> An attempted robbery</span>), and I had to fill  in a form.  Fortunately, a young policewoman was delegated to help me.   She asked me questions, I answered, and she typed the information onto the form.   I also had an interpreter with me in case they asked me complicated questions in  convoluted Russian, or (more likely), she couldn&#8217;t understand my &#8220;pigeon  Russian&#8221;.  As it happens the main problems turned out to be much more  basic.<span id="more-1094"></span></p>
<p>For example, &#8220;<strong>Name?</strong>&#8220;: I thought that was no  problem, and I gave her my business card which has my name in both English and  Russian, so that she could get the spelling right.  However, I should have  known better &#8230; and should expected the supplementary question, &#8220;<strong>Otchestvo?</strong>&#8220;.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 60px;"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="line-height: normal;">In Russian everyone has three names:</span></span></p>
<ul style="padding-left: 60px;">
<li>a <strong>Given</strong> name &#8211; which, when I grew up, was always referred to as a &#8220;Christian&#8221; name, (in my case: Ian)</li>
<li>a <strong>Patronymic</strong> &#8211; taken from their father&#8217;s name &#8230; for men it ends in &#8220;vich&#8221;, (such as Robertovich), and for women in &#8220;vna&#8221;, (such as Ivanovna)</li>
<li>a <strong>Family</strong> name &#8211; or &#8220;surname&#8221;, (in my case: Claytor)</li>
</ul>
<p style="padding-left: 60px;">Sometimes this results in interesting situations like Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin &#8230;  It is very rare for someone to be addressed just by their given name, (only close friends and family use just the given name), or by the given name and the family name and the polite form of address is to use the given name followed by the patronymic, so Vladimir Putin would be referred to or addressed as Vladimir Vladimirovich, and I would be Ian Robertovich.</p>
<p>When I said that I didn&#8217;t have one, she got quite  concerned &#8230; there is a space for it on the form, so it has to be filled.   She looked perplexed and then, speaking slowly and precisely, as if she had  recognised that I was obviously mentally deficient &#8211; a &#8216;slow&#8217; foreigner, she asked me what was my  father&#8217;s name.  I was tempted to opt for the simple life and tell her that  I was Ian Robertovich, (it wouldn&#8217;t have been the first time).  However, as  the &#8216;otchestvo&#8217; doesn&#8217;t appear on my passport, I anticipated further  difficulties in the future and so both I, and my interpreter, tried to explain  that, in Britain, we don&#8217;t use an &#8216;otchestvo&#8217;.  She finally accepted,  although she shook her head a little.</p>
<p>Then there was the question was, &#8220;<strong>Nationality?</strong>&#8220;.    I replied &#8220;British&#8221; &#8230; but she wasn&#8217;t happy with that.  &#8220;No, no,&#8221; she  said, &#8220;that&#8217;s your citizenship &#8211; you&#8217;re a British citizen, you have a British  passport &#8211; but what is your Nationality?&#8221;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Kyrgyz passports, as in most former Soviet republics, record a person&#8217;s Nationality &#8230; Russian, Kyrgyz, etc.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Here in Kyrgyzstan, the term &#8220;nationality&#8221; does not necessarily mean  what we might take it to mean in the West.  Although one definition of the term might refer to &#8220;the country, or state, to which a person belongs &#8211; either from birth or as a result of naturalization&#8221;, there is a wider sense in which the word can be used: &#8220;identifying the group of people, or the nation, who share a common origin or a common culture&#8221;.  The first refers to a person&#8217;s citizenship whereas the second is their nationality.   As is the case with many other former Soviet countries, Kyrgyz passports, still record not only a person&#8217;s citizenship, (for example: Kyrgyz Republic), but also their nationality, (such as: Kyrgyz, Russian, Uzbek, German, Tartar &#8230; and so forth) and it is claimed that Kyrgyzstan is a multicultural society with over eighty such &#8220;nationalities&#8221; represented in the population.</p>
<p>I tried &#8220;British&#8221; once again, but she wasn&#8217;t too happy  about this &#8211; presumably, &#8220;British&#8221; isn&#8217;t on an approved list of accepted  nationalities somewhere &#8211; so we agreed on &#8220;English&#8221;.</p>
<p>Despite these  little &#8220;problems&#8221;, she was actually very pleasant and made what could have been a very  difficult, onerous and stressful experience something much more like a  simple formality.</p>
<p>There is a great importance attached to getting things right on  forms, applications, etc.  There are often specimens of completed forms or standard letters displayed on  the notice boards that line the walls of various  government offices &#8211; all with the prescription that they have to be completed &#8220;bez  osheebok&#8221; &#8211; &#8220;without mistakes&#8221;.  One mistake and you have to rewrite the  whole lot on a new form.  No &#8220;tip-ex&#8221; or correcting fluid is normally  accepted.</p>
<p>The other day, for example, our accountant went to hand in a  tax report.  Fortunately, before she got to the front of the queue, she was  looking at the form and discovered a small mistake &#8230; the form was in  triplicate &#8211; that means there were three copies, but it wasn&#8217;t NCR (&#8220;no carbon  required&#8221;) paper so there were three separate copies, all written out by hand,  and she saw that they had different figures on them.  There was only one figure different &#8230; when she was  copying the information from the first copy onto the second, she had missed out  one digit &#8230; and then copied the incorrect figure onto the third copy.   It seems to me that it should be easy enough to correct, but no &#8230; she had  to return to the office and re-write the two &#8220;spoiled&#8221; forms.</p>
<p>An error in a single digit can be extremely expensive.   Presenting incorrect information to the authorities can result in an inspection  and/or a fine.  For example, a single error on the annual return to the  Social Fund can, technically, involve a fine on the company of 25% of all the  payments they have made, (or should have made) to the fund during the reporting  period.  Don&#8217;t misunderstand me, the form is important &#8211; for example, this  annual return is a list of social security contributions made for each and every  individual employed in the company and the data is used to calculate their  pension entitlement &#8211; and I could understand a fine based on the value of the  error but instead it&#8217;s based on the total sum &#8230; which can amount to huge sums.     For a small company with, say, less than ten employees, and especially if the  accounts are all automated, (computerized), then preparing such a report should  be fairly straightforward.  For larger companies, for example such as ours  &#8211; in the course of a year we may well have employed well over a hundred people &#8211;  then the task can involve a considerable amount of time and because the  consequences of even a small error are so substantial it involves a considerable  amount of checking and rechecking.</p>
<p>Last year I counted nearly three hundred reports that we  had to complete &#8211; reports to the Tax Authorities, the Social Fund, the State  Statistical Committee, the State Agency for Tourism and the National Bank &#8230;  each one to completed &#8220;bez  osheebok&#8221; and submitted, in person, to the offices of the appropriate body.</p>
<p>To be fair, mainly because the tax system has been  revised, some of those forms no longer exist &#8230; however, the authorities have  managed to think up some new ones to take their place.</p>
<p>Oh, and for the record &#8230; it&#8217;s not just on official forms that we have to be  careful.  The banks, for example, are just as officious.  In Britain,  if you make a mistake on a cheque, (say in the date), then you simply cross the  mistake out and write the correct version next to it, and sign to signify that  it was you who made the alteration.  That&#8217;s not allowed here.  You  have to cross the whole cheque out, write &#8220;Isporchen&#8221; &#8211; &#8220;spoiled&#8221; &#8211; across it,  and then write out a new one.  I have lost count of the number of cheque  forms we have &#8220;spoiled&#8221; like this.</p>
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		<title>Maybe it&#8217;s because I&#8217;m an Englishman</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Over the years that I have been in Kyrgyzstan, people have asked me a lot of questions.  Some of them have been easy to answer, but others have been more difficult. When I first came to Bishkek I was asked a lot of questions about why I had come here, my life back in the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over the years that I have been in Kyrgyzstan,  people have asked me a lot of questions.  Some of them have been easy to answer,  but others have been more difficult.</p>
<p>When I first came to Bishkek I was asked a lot of  questions about why I had come here, my life back in the United Kingdom and  about the differences I noticed between the two countries.<span id="more-838"></span></p>
<p>When we established the Celestial Mountains Tour  Company and our two hotels in Bishkek and Naryn, the questions changed, and were  mainly about doing business in the Kyrgyz Republic.</p>
<p>For the last three years, while I was President  of the Kyrgyz Association of Tour Operators (KATO), the question I received most  of all was: “How is it that an Englishman is the President of the KYRGYZ  Association of Tour Operators?”</p>
<p>In some ways, this question is one of the  easiest to answer: “You should ask the members who elected me.”  When I was  asked if I would stand for election I was reluctant.  “Please don’t refuse  simply because your passport is a different colour”, I was told.  Although this  was an issue, however, my reluctance wasn’t just a question of my nationality.</p>
<p>I was also conscious, for example, that there was  language barrier, as I don’t speak Kyrgyz, and my Russian, although adequate for  everyday communication, is not fluent.</p>
<p>It is true that the fact that I have a different  nationality was sometimes important.  Sometimes it was helpful, whilst at others  it was a handicap. As a foreigner, I was born into, and grew up in, a different  culture and system, and this, of course, influences the way I think and the  decisions I make and the actions I take.</p>
<p>Let me illustrate the point with three examples:  The roles of the government, business (the private sector), and the Association  (the voluntary sector).</p>
<p>Consider, first of all, the question of <strong>the role  of the government in the development of tourism</strong>.</p>
<p>In Britain, people tend to think that there  should be limited (if not minimal) government involvement in daily life.  The  government should safeguard the safety and security of society, (protecting the  borders, policing the streets to prevent crime and so forth). It should create  and maintain a safe environment to enable and encourage people to develop their  full potential, in their personal lives, (be it in terms of cultural, religious  or social activity) and also in business.  This is usually done by monitoring  (collecting and analyzing statistical data), and where necessary introducing  regulations and supervising activities.  There is always a certain amount of  discussion about exactly what measures should be used and to what extent, and  what element of compulsion, should be involved.  On the whole, however, people  and businesses are left to manage and control their own destinies, within the  framework of the obligations and responsibilities imposed by the system.   Generally, it is considered that the only time that government should be  actively involved in anything approaching a business venture is when it can  provide goods and services more efficiently than others in the private sector.</p>
<p>In Kyrgyzstan, on the other hand, there is a  tendency to expect the government to take an active involvement in almost all  aspects of life.  There may be various historical and cultural reasons for  this, and it is perfectly understandable in terms of a “central command  economy”, as the government is responsible for both deciding the general  direction of economic and social policy, and also for the actual implementation  of that policy.</p>
<p>In a “market economy”, however, such as the  Kyrgyz Republic has embraced since independence, it is the individual  entrepreneur and the private sector that provide the engine of prosperity and  progress, working within the framework of policy, priorities, and the overall  business environment which is set by the government.   In a market economy the  role of government is not to “decide” and “command” but rather to enable others  to participate and develop in that “market”.</p>
<p>That does not mean, however, that businesses  should be given a totally free hand.  One of the purposes of government is to  protect its citizens.  It is a complex situation in which the needs of several  groups, (for example, the wider community which could be represented as the  state, businesses and the consumer), need to balanced.</p>
<p>That brings me to my second example, <strong>the role of  business</strong>.</p>
<p>Business seems to have an unsavoury reputation  here.  For example, I remember when I was learning Russian reading in an old,  Soviet, textbook the phrase: “Business is the art of removing money from one  person’s pocket to another’s without them complaining.”  Whilst I remember with  affection the first time I was called “tovarish”, I also remember less  affectionately the two occasions I have been called a “capitalist”, and in  particular the vehemence, (even the hatred), that seemed to be conveyed.  On  another occasion, I was in a meeting where one of the participants complained  about a trader buying and selling goods at a profit as “speculation”.</p>
<p>There seems to be a general impression that the  business is basically concerned with the “selfish pursuit of profit” and  sometimes it appears as if, here in Kyrgyzstan, “profit” is seen here in  Kyrgyzstan as a bad thing in itself.  In the United Kingdom, (which, according  to Napoleon described as a “nation of shopkeepers”), we only think this if  someone is making what appears to be an excessive, or “obscene”, profit out of a  deal.</p>
<p>Of course, the entrepreneur wants to make a  profit.  It is a powerful motivating force behind his decision to enter into  business.</p>
<p>More than this, however, profit is important.  If  an enterprise does not make a profit it would become bankrupt and go out of  business, which would not be good for anyone: the entrepreneur himself, their  employees, their suppliers, the consumers, or the wider community which would  lose a resource and tax revenue.</p>
<p>The businessman or entrepreneur makes an  investment, (whether financial, in terms of money other material resources, or  personal, in time and effort), accepting the risk of failure because they are  motivated by the potential rewards of success.</p>
<p>Risk is an important factor.  When thinking about  starting a business most people concentrate on the profit that can be made, and  they overlook or minimize the risks and consequences of failure.  It is easy to  highlight the Strengths and Opportunities of a business proposal while making  light of the Weaknesses and Threats that are involved.  It is as if they think  that if they have sufficient motivation and drive, then they cannot fail?   Unfortunately, however, the risk of failure is all too real.  In the United  Kingdom most of the newly established businesses close within their first year.   A wise entrepreneur prepares himself properly and considers all of these aspects  of their business plan.</p>
<p>Nobody likes to fail, and the fear of failure can  be as powerful a motivating factor as the desire for success.</p>
<p>If businessmen are to accept the risks, and the  responsibility entailed, then it suggests that they must be allowed to make  their own decisions about the conduct of their business.  That does not mean  that they should be given “carte blanche”.  The chaos and anarchy that would  result would be to nobody ’s benefit.  Hence there is need for a balance between  the role and responsibilities of both, the state and of the private sector.</p>
<p>This brings me to my third example: <strong>the role of  the Association</strong>.</p>
<p>A business does not exist in isolation, it is  part of a wider community and it has responsibilities and obligations to that  wider community.  Some of these are formally encoded in the legislation of the  country, (such as obeying the law, following procedures and paying taxes),  whereas others are more nebulous and of a moral character, like being a good  neighbour or supporting local good causes.</p>
<p>An example of participating in the wider  community is joining an Association.  A number of such organizations have  appeared in Kyrgyzstan in the recent past, one of them being KATO.</p>
<p>My father served as a trade union official and,  in my turn, so did I.  The experience that I gained during this time taught me  several valuable lessons about working in, and for, a “voluntary” organization.</p>
<p>The first lesson was that an association is  exactly that, a voluntary organization.  No-one is forced to belong.  Membership  is not compulsory.  There are many reasons why members decide to join.</p>
<p>One reason might be the status that membership  brings.  One organization in the West used to run an advertising campaign with  the slogan: “Membership says something about you”.  It helps, of course, if the  Association is a strong and respected body, then membership really can have  value, but that value is limited when the Association is recognized as being  little more than a small pressure group.</p>
<p>Another, similar, slogan was: “Membership has its  benefits”, which is often a reason for deciding to join an Association.  Of  course, membership should bring benefits.  This may be the main reason why  members decide to join an Association.  Some benefits may be material, such as  discounts or access to information and marketing opportunities, but others are  more abstract.  One of those benefits is the promotion, lobbying and protection  of common, shared, interests.</p>
<p>That sounds like “self interest”, but it is not  that simple.</p>
<p>One of the common interests shared by members of  an Association such as KATO is ensuring that Kyrgyzstan is a strong and vibrant  country, with a strong and thriving economy and, (for KATO in particular), a  strong and successful Tourism sector.  For example, as a tour operator I need to  have access to good accommodation for my clients throughout the country, a range  of activities and outlets which I can offer them.  This is the reason the first  aim of the Association is to make tourism a leading element in the economy and  life of the Kyrgyz Republic.</p>
<p>Every tourist is different.  Every group is  different.  They all have different objectives and different expectations when  they decide to visit Kyrgyzstan.  Some want to simply relax on a beach at Lake  Issyk Kul, whilst others seek a more active holiday.  Some request five star the  luxury of the Hyatt Regency, whilst others prefer the traditional hospitality of  nomadic yurt.  Some want to “get away from it all” and welcome the time spent  trekking or riding in the isolated mountainous landscapes whereas others need  internet access and mobile telephone coverage wherever they go.   An organized  tour in a comfortable, air-conditioned coach is appropriate for one group, but  others prefer the freedom of “independent” travel, taking shared taxis and  deciding on the details of their itinerary as they go.</p>
<p>As a result, in Kyrgyzstan we need to have a  range of facilities offering a diversity of opportunities within the country.   This can, of course, lead to problems.  Although this variety increases the  range of facilities and service, increasing the pool of potential clients and  offering them a choice, choice also means competition.</p>
<p>Competition, like profit, is not a bad thing in  itself.  For one thing, competition acts as a spur which motivates businesses to  respond to changes in the market and improve their range and standards of  facilities and service.   Like many species, a failure to adapt to changes in  the environment can lead to death and extinction.</p>
<p>Also, although the service providers, (for  example: hotels, guesthouses, resorts on Issyk Kul, a ski-base in the Kyrgyz  Krebet, a Homestay in a rural village or a yurt in a remote jailoo), are all  competitors in one respect, (in this case a night spent in one cannot be spent  in another), they are also colleagues with common interests and problems. In  order to overcome pursue, promote and protect these interests and solve their  common problems they need join together in a spirit of collective partnership  and cooperation.</p>
<p>An Association is a collective, a combination of  a number of different members, each with their own specific interests and point  of view.  An Association cannot, and should not, pursue the interest of just one  member, or even of a small specific group of members.  This illustrates another  lesson that I learned as a trade union official: the representative of the  Association has to present the collective view of the membership to the best of  their ability, even if, sometimes, that means that they have to put to one side  their own views and opinions.  The Chairman (President) of an Association, the  Committees and the Executive organs of the Association have to represent the  membership as a whole.  This is difficult to achieve, because there is no single  viewpoint.</p>
<p>For the Association to have a view it needs to  canvass the opinions of its members.  There needs to be a debate or discussion  of the issues.  Discussion means that every member should have the  opportunity to present their own view.  Decisions should be based on logic, not  on who speaks loudest or longest.</p>
<p>It is also necessary for members to understand  that, sometimes they will win the debate but that at other times a different  view will prevail, and that the Association cannot do everything.  It is  necessary to decide what it is possible to achieve, what issues are worth  pursuing within the limited resources that are available.  Priorities have to be  allocated.</p>
<p>For the individual member this can create  problems.  They feel that their interests, (or their point of view), are not  being promoted as strongly as others or, worse, are being ignored.</p>
<p><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Originally published in Tourism in  Kyrgyzstan: Practice, Problems and Perspectives.</strong></span></em></p>
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